The Bible's Hidden Business Principles Will Transform How You Lead

Martin joins The Grind Podcast as the newest co-host, bringing profound insights that bridge faith, business, and personal growth. Dillon welcomes this dynamic addition, promising weekly conversations packed with value and perspective.

Their inaugural conversation dives deep into gratitude as the cornerstone of effective leadership. Through a fresh examination of the Prodigal Son parable, Martin reveals how both sons struggled with gratitude in different ways. The younger son gained appreciation through hardship, while the elder son—despite his loyalty—couldn't celebrate his brother's return. This duality perfectly illustrates how gratitude functions as a lens that transforms our perception, actions, and ultimately, what we attract into our lives.

When applied to business, gratitude becomes a game-changer. Rather than fixating on limitations, acknowledging the incredible opportunities available to build and create opens doors to innovation and growth. Martin and Dillon explore the biblical foundation for creativity, noting that as image-bearers of a Creator God, humans are designed to "bring the unseen into the seen." This divine design pattern empowers entrepreneurs to mine, refine, and build with purpose.

The conversation takes a fascinating turn as they discuss vibration and energy from a Christian perspective, distinguishing between new age concepts and biblical principles of power. Martin shares a compelling metaphor about a broken device that wouldn't charge because the switch wasn't turned on—illustrating how believers must not only be connected to their power source but actively engage with it. Through powerful examples, including Jesus clearing a room before performing a miracle, they demonstrate why creating the right environment is essential for breakthrough.

For leaders feeling isolated in their journey, Martin offers transformative advice: remember your "why." When your purpose extends beyond personal gain to impact others meaningfully, you'll find strength to persevere through challenges. As he powerfully concludes, "The work you may not see working for you is working on you"—the most valuable development happens during the process, not just in the outcome.

Ready to transform your approach to leadership, faith, and business? Subscribe now and join us weekly as we deliver conversations that challenge, inspire, and equip you to build with greater purpose and impact.

Chapters

• 0:00 Martin Joins as New Co-Host
• 5:52 Gratitude as Leadership Foundation
• 8:49 Vibrations and Spiritual Power
• 16:44 Building and Creating Purpose
• 22:31 Clearing Space for Miracles
• 29:56 Leadership, Loneliness and Purpose
• 34:45 The Gold Rush Principle

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

What's going on you guys? Hey, super excited to be with you today. Got some great and awesome news. Super excited Martin is going to be a new co-host on the grind podcast. I'm super pumped and excited. We were having a great conversation this morning and I wanted to carry it over to this podcast and I think we're going to bring some great value to people. I just really appreciate the conversations that we have, so I'm excited to do these, hopefully weekly with you, get them out by Fridays, but super pumped and excited to have you on here.

Speaker 2: 0:29

Yeah, thanks, dylan, and I appreciate it. I'm excited, I'm pumped. Yeah, I love having conversations. Obviously, you know, with anyone for the most part, let's be real. But to be truthful, you know, especially when you deal with like-minded people, I love it. I love, I love our talks and I'm super excited about opportunities. So cool.

Speaker 1: 0:47

Yeah, so this morning we were talking a little bit about gratitude and you had gotten into the conversation about the prodigal son.

Speaker 2: 0:56

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 0:56

Can you touch on that a little bit?

Speaker 2: 0:58

Yeah, um, you know. So it's interesting where, um and not to like obviously go too deep. But, um, you know, I when I look at gratitude, I believe it's interesting where and not to like obviously go too deep. But you know, when I look at gratitude, I believe it's foundational for a lot, especially when you deal with, like, leadership. I think gratitude is the foundation that you have to have it. You got to have a, you got to come from a space of gratitude, but it's interesting.

Speaker 2: 1:18

So when you do the study in Luke on the prodigal son, a lot of times we look at it like it's a great example of somebody that's fallen away and then when they come back, we can use it as a template for even for children, right, who may be fallen away. But I think when you go deeper, there's more than just that. So, as an example, um, at the very beginning, um, you know it, it starts off where the. You know the son obviously wasn't happy. He wanted the dad to give him his inheritance and he wanted it right away. So he asked the dad hey, I want my inheritance. And then after a few days he took off right, went, went to the city. He probably like blew through all of his money. He probably had a ton of friends, a ton of partying, he had the whole life going on. But it was interesting because when you kind of keep going, you got to the point where, when he ran out of money, his friends left. And then he got to the point where he's basically working on a pig farm eating the pods that fell, and at that moment gratitude came back and it basically was like he realized that what he was making it doesn't talk about the amount of money he was making, but whatever it was, it wasn't enough. And then he thought back at his father's house, where even his dad's servants had it better than that. So I think that's when the gratitude for him started to come back and then, ultimately, he started seeing things differently.

Speaker 2: 2:39

You know, when you are grateful at what you're looking at, or when you're coming from a place of being grateful, it changes how you see things. It's like the whole saying like um, you know when you, when you change the way you see things, the things you see, change. Gratitude is a lens. So now, all of a sudden, the son, who was selfish, only cared about himself. Now, all of a sudden, he's looking at it from a different perspective only cared about himself. Now, all of a sudden, he's looking at it from a different perspective. He was grateful that he could go back and not just maybe be the son, but like work for his dad and have better food. And you know, the interesting piece is, obviously, when he came back, we know that the dad ran and met him and threw a party.

Speaker 2: 3:21

But here's the interesting piece on top of that, it was weird because you had one son who was ungrateful but he went through the trials of life and ended up developing an attitude of gratitude. And you had a second son who kind of didn't do any of that stuff but at the very end the son wasn't grateful. The second son, who did nothing wrong wrong now wasn't grateful that his son who was lost, his brother who was lost, came back. So yeah, two, two examples of like losing gratitude and getting it back, and then one not really losing it but not really having it at the very end. So it was weird. It was two brothers, two different situations. But you know, I think that, um, in everything you do, if you don't have gratitude, it's going to change how you see things. Therefore, it's going to change how you do things and therefore it's going to change what you attract to you.

Speaker 1: 4:15

Yeah, Now how could we relate that to business?

Speaker 2: 4:19

Yeah, I think for business really no difference. Right, you could fill in the blank, but you think about business and ask yourself whatever stage you're at, you have to be grateful. You have to be grateful that one you're in a I would just say you're even in a country where you have the ability to be able to build whatever you want, to build right. We don't have the you know, maybe the obstructions that maybe some other people have. So I would say, start there, be grateful that we have the ability to be able to do that. I would also say, be grateful that we have the capability to do that right, that we're thinking and obviously in our sound mind, that we have tools and resources today that you know people didn't have 20 years ago. You got to be thankful for that, you know.

Speaker 2: 5:04

And the fact that you have an opportunity to create a product, service or idea and get in front of multi millions of people, like at you know, if you were born in a different time you wouldn't have that opportunity.

Speaker 2: 5:20

So we have an opportunity where you could be in front of hundreds of millions of people, you know, rather quickly. So, like, be grateful for the time that we're in as well and I think, ultimately, like you can make a laundry list and start stacking them and that's not to say that you have to, but what I would say is I would write down a couple of them and focus on them and think about them and dwell on them and meditate on them, because whatever you focus on them and think about them and dwell on them and meditate on them, because whatever you focus on expands and as long as you constantly have a heart and a posture of gratitude, you're going to find yourself like on this side of goodness, whereas on that side you may have to go through the hard stuff like the prodigal son to be able to bring you back.

Speaker 1: 6:02

Yeah, a prodigal son to be able to bring you back. Yeah, and I think what kind of sparked this whole conversation around gratitude was just the idea of, like, even team members and employees and just you and I have both worked for companies under leadership, you know and just having gratitude even with the position that you're in, and doing that unto the Lord, and I think that was kind of what sparked this whole conversation around gratitude. That was kind of what sparked this whole conversation around gratitude and it kind of led into this whole conversation and it was just really cool and exciting to have that conversation with you. I don't remember everything that we talked about.

Speaker 1: 6:36

I'm hoping that throughout this conversation, though, it'll come up and whatnot but that kind of led into a little bit of how you were talking, how god created everything from nothing and how there's nothing, and from the beginning to the end of time, like he already knew that you would have sports box, he already knew that chris and I would have the salon, and like he built everything from nothing from end of time. And then you had kind of gone into a conversation about vibrations and things like that, which I wanted to touch on because I think it's so important when, because you're going to, you were talking a little bit about quote unquote energy, but it's not new age type energy and we see that in the Bible, where you were talking about the woman touching Jesus's garment. So I just kind of wanted to touch on that story and kind of go down that rabbit hole of where we talked about that this morning, so you can start wherever you want.

Speaker 2: 7:36

But yeah, I remember that was good stuff and there's a lot there. So I want to make sure I don't miss. But you know it's interesting because in my bible it's pretty marked up and, um, I really try to like dig in and like really learn. And there's different facets of it, like one of like what was going on at that time, great lessons. But the bible is so deep so there's so many layers and that's why I tell especially young men, when they come to me they're like, hey, like you know, coach, what, what do I read? I tell them, hey, don't worry about like burning through it. You're better going deep than you are. You know, go vertical than horizontal. Like every section, you could go deep in the section and learn something that can like impact your whole life and just burn in through and say, oh, I read the bible yeah you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 8:21

But when you, when you, when when I take the first page of Bible, which is Genesis 1 and 2, there is so much on there and I'm telling you in my belief, if that's all you had for the most part and you were to learn and study and dwell, you would have a very, very successful life. There's so much about business and marriage and life and friendship and all the templates are in there. But when you were talking about God created everything you know. The first thing we learn about God is you know not that he was love, which he is, and all that is God teaches us about himself is his nature. He's a creator. In the beginning, God created. So the first thing God chose to like reveal to us is that he is a creator. Chose to like reveal to us is that he is a creator and if we're made in his image, I believe that we are made to build as well.

Speaker 2: 9:10

We're made to create and now for some people it's already like, I think, in there bubbling out, and for other people you got to kind of dig it out, but I think it's in everybody. But the words are different. When you look at the creation part, like the, the, the lord god created um, you know everything from nothing. You know, and it's a different word, right. So he just basically created it. He said it, he spoke it. That was the vehicle and it came to pass with with us. It's different. We're to create, but it's a different word we're, we're, we're to bring the unseen into the scene. So everything has already been done, it already been created, but we are to bring the unseen to the scene. Now maybe you're thinking well, what do you mean? Like a car was already created?

Speaker 2: 9:50

no, but all the pieces of the car was already there yeah and we had to bring it out of the ground and be able to do that. It's interesting because everything was already created and it's in the ground, so it all had to to be mined. Even gold got put into the ground. Why did he put the gold in the ground? It had to be mined, it had to be dug out. Now you think about it. How did he create us? From the ground? From the ground, right? So I believe the reason he did that is because we are to build. That's what he wants us to do. So it's super cool and it doesn't matter whether it's like you know, you're building your business, which I think he wants us to be able to do that, but just building things. You know we're to build. We're to build, you know, families and build relationships, and we're to build.

Speaker 1: 10:38

Yeah he made us that way yeah.

Speaker 2: 10:40

So you know that's how I look at and I get excited and and I I'm thankful. I'm thankful that I have a father who's the master builder that I can learn from right that he made me in his image. So when we get excited about building something you know and being able to do that well, we get excited because God put that innately in us. So that's a piece that you know, I'm very grateful for us.

Speaker 1: 11:06

So that's a piece that you know I'm very grateful for. Yeah, and that kind of led over to the whole the magnet that you were talking about and the vibration. So I really want to dig into that because I think there's a lot of gold there and I figured bringing up the magnet would kind of spark some thoughts for you and what we talked about this morning yeah, you know.

Speaker 2: 11:23

So that's an interesting piece. Um, you know, it's a little weird where people could be like and, trust me, it's not. A lot of times what happens is you have these, um, I don't know if I I would call them religions, but you have these like religions or sectors where people get focused on this right, and then what happens is, if christ, if the, you know, in christianity, if you start talking about it, a lot of times people are like, they associate with it. So, oh, you're going to. You know what I mean and they do that. Yeah, but I think they missed the point. It the.

Speaker 2: 11:57

The point is, um, the difference between the two is god created the piece, or he created a workflow? He created a model or a template or a principle that applies, and the thing about God is God's not a respecter of persons. So the principles that God created work. So, whether you're a believer or not a believer, if you're using the principle, the principle is going to work because he created it. Whereas some people will look at the principle as the almighty, whereas a Christian we don't will look at the principle as the almighty, whereas a christian we don't. We look at the one who created the principle, right, that's the difference between what you know, us and them, or us. You know, for the most part, um in that part, but it there's, it's principles that he created.

Speaker 2: 12:40

Now, where it gets, you know, really interesting that I really try to geek out on as well is the. You know, yeah, the vibrational piece and the you know there's. Everything operates in energy and there's power and there's truth to all of that. You know what I mean and it's just super interesting. And the part that you talked about you know where the woman came who had a flow of blood when Jesus was walking to go heal Jairus' kid. She touched him, but she said it to herself. She purposed in her heart that hey, if I touch him, I'll be healed, and power left him immediately and she was healed.

Speaker 2: 13:17

Now when he says who touched me, I believe that he already knew who touched. He just a lot of times was saying things to teach a lesson during that moment, but there's truth to that. That power left him and I think, in my opinion this is just my opinion I think God has called us, as believers, to walk in power, but I think most believers do not walk in power. I think most believers just settle and live in comfort, and there's no power in comfort and things shouldn't be about us. It should be about other people. So being able to learn and tap in and jump into power, I think that's what we're called to do and I'm going to give you an example, if you don't mind me.

Speaker 1: 13:58

No, please.

Speaker 2: 13:59

Okay, let me share a story.

Speaker 1: 14:01

This is what it's about.

Speaker 2: 14:02

It's a story that I'll never forget. So years, years, years ago, my very first business, I had an appraisal business and this was before, like all the cool phones with the app and all that. But way back in the day, and I remember, I bought it. You remember the PDAs. You may have been too young, I had a PDA. So basically, like it's kind of like a phone where I could go out during the inspection, I can put everything down, click on, click on. I would hook it up to my computer. When I get back it would load all the data and it would save me from manually loading the data, right.

Speaker 2: 14:34

So it was super cool and I used to do that and all of a sudden it just stopped working, just totally stopped working. And it wasn't cheap. They were probably $300 at the time. And you know, I was frustrated A year later. I don't know what I was doing.

Speaker 2: 14:47

I was probably driving, but for whatever reason, I thought about that and I was like, oh man, I wonder if, like you know, sometimes you have an outlet where it has to be, the switch has to be turned on. Yeah, and I was thinking to myself I wonder if it was plugged in. I I get to myself, I wonder if it was plugged in. I don't even know why I thought of it. I wonder if it was plugged into an outlet where the switch wasn't even turned on, what? So I remember getting home and I'm like looking all over the house for it. I find it. I didn't throw it away, plug it into a thing, turn on the switch.

Speaker 2: 15:16

I wait an hour and and the lesson here's the lesson I learned two things. One, as a christian, if you don't have power in your life, maybe you're either not plugged in or maybe you are plugged in but the switch isn't on. You know what I mean? The switch has to be on. You got to be plugged in, got to be plugged into the spirit, but the switch has to be on and there's. There is some truth to the power that we're walking in, and it's not just a word, it's actual power and and everything. There's a vibration to everything and I just believe that the higher a person can vibrate on a consistent basis, I think, the more power that person's going to be able to have. Now, I haven't figured all that part out yet, but that's just kind of what I see and what I read and what I believe.

Speaker 1: 16:07

So yeah, I mean, it got us talking to, about even in business, where you know and Alex Ramosi had talked about this um, this point of as a business owner, you go through these long periods of time of just like grinding, putting in the day in, day out, but then there's a couple of times where you hit the home run. And he shared this story of these two guys that had this business. They were struggling, struggling to make payroll, struggling to just make ends meet, and then Q1, the following year, they hit a home run 15 mil, 20 mil, 17 mil, like month after month, and then they decided hey let's start.

Speaker 1: 16:52

We can start going on vacations, we can start doing all these things by the house. And his recommendation to them was now is not the time to let up, but now is the time to put on the gas. And I think so many times, like we get, it goes back to comfortability. Where we get so comfortable with man, we're just, we're good, like I'm good with what I have, but God hasn't called us to stop. Like, if we're living and we're breathing, we're called to continue building, like you've talked about, and I think it's just so powerful to like, think about how, when you're in those moments and you are in those quote unquote vibrations, you got to press the gas and not let up.

Speaker 2: 17:40

Yeah, I, I, I love that story when you were telling me about that, because I haven't heard that before, but I appreciate it and I believe in it. You know it's interesting because I got a couple pieces on this One. I think a lot of times, even in us in the church, right, when I say the church, the body, the entire body, I think a lot of times there can be this stigma, especially for business owners or whatever the case, where you're like, oh, it's all about money, right, or it's all about money. Or if you've got a business where you're making millions of dollars, you know it could be like a bad thing, like, oh, you're selfish. I'm not a believer in that at all. I think that we're called to multiply everything that hand touches right A hundred percent and ultimately you can be, you know, a great human being and be rich, and you can be a crappy human being and being poor it's a posture of who you are in your heart, right, being having money is just a money's just a tool. So money's going to magnify who you already are. But with that being said, I'm going to, I want to share a story. It's probably the most powerful story that I've ever witnessed, and not only witnessed, but I got to experience it and it's something that I constantly think about. Probably a week doesn't go by where it doesn't pop up.

Speaker 2: 18:53

But I remember one time I was at a men's retreat and we were um, you know, there's probably about 80 people in the room and it was weird because we're in this, you know, this room like a I don't know what the name of it. It was like a, it was a big park, and then there's like this room, and it was a pretty cool room, but the way it sat, you had people sitting this way, people sitting that way, the speaker was over there a couple rows this way. So I was sitting here watching the speaker, but this way way, there was a pastor who brought like 30 of his people from another state and the preacher the guy that was speaking is a very wealthy man, he's a businessman. He was bringing up talking about money and finances, and I could see that the preacher was getting very offended. No one else is paying any attention, but the way I'm sitting, I'm right in front of him, so I'm watching him get offended, but I'm also listening because I love this guy and I love everything that he says. Right.

Speaker 2: 19:45

So finally about uh, probably halfway through, he stood up. I'm like, oh, it's going to get real. And he basically says, hey, I have a problem with all of this. So I'm like everyone's like what's going on? But I knew this was going to happen and he basically said it uh, you know know, the speaker said what's the problem? And he said I got a problem because I make 60 grand a year. He goes are you talking about his money? He goes I make 60 grand a year and that's enough for me. And I'll never forget the words out of the speaker's mouth was that's your problem, it's all about you. And he sat down and he kept going. And this wasn't a thing where it was like a name. It claim it. That's not what it was about, but the gentleman was very wealthy and he was going through some principles from the Bible. At the very end, the preacher stood back up again and he says you know, I want to apologize in front of everyone. I never looked at it that way.

Speaker 1: 20:39

Wow.

Speaker 2: 20:41

And I don't know how many people there actually remember it For me. It stayed with me Because, again, money is a tool, but I think of so many of us, especially Christians. We get to the point where we think it's enough for us and if we have a thought process of it's enough for us, then, truthfully, it's just really selfish Because it's not about us, it's not supposed's not about us, it's not supposed to be about us. If we built everything we built for strictly me and my wife, then what's the point?

Speaker 1: 21:11

Now, my wife and I will be benefactors, obviously, of what we built, but if that's your goal, if that's the main thing, then there's no power in that so we just we unpacked so much this morning, so um, but kind of I want to backtrack a little bit too about, um, the same story with the woman touching jesus's dress yeah he was on his way to heal um jerry's, yeah, so the importance of having a good circle around you, because what did he do when he got there and I think we unpacked this a little bit too I had this little story from this book that I'm reading, and he was talking about how one glides.

Speaker 1: 22:00

What are they, glidestills? Glidestills the horses.

Speaker 2: 22:04

Glide stills yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:06

One by itself can pull 8,000 pounds, two that haven't been brought up together can pull 24,000 pounds. But then there's if you bring two together that have grown up on a farm and have worked together can pull 36,000 pounds. So you go from one pulling 8,000 pounds to being able to have 36,000 pounds pulled with two that have constantly worked together and built that relationship together. And it just reminded me also, like, how important your circle is, who you surround yourself with, who's speaking into your life. And I think it's just such a powerful thing because even when you look at that story of Jesus, he kicked people out.

Speaker 2: 22:52

You know it's such a great story I think I know for me I missed that for many years and I would say that if there was probably 10 people right now listening for many years and I would say that if there was probably 10 people right now listening, probably nine of them have missed that. And if you read the story, when he walked into the house the girl already died. So everyone was wailing. Of course, imagine losing your kid. But he said she's sleeping. Now, at that moment the Bible says that they ridiculed him. So I want you to understand, like for one. Actually, before that he only brought three of his disciples in, so he left other ones out. Why, I don't know, maybe belief Only brought three in. Then they ridiculed him and when they ridiculed him he kicked them all out of the house. He had to put them out of the house and then he went and healed.

Speaker 2: 23:41

And it's just interesting because you know, maybe with, uh, with the negative negativity and the bad energy and the whole nine yards unbelief, there's no, there's no miracle there. So he had literally removed that. So he had a space where he was, where miracles can happen. And I wonder in our life so many times we're like maybe we really want that miracle to happen, but maybe there's not a space for that miracle to be able to take place because of unbelief or because of who's in that circle. So it's super, super important. It like drilling down and whatever it is you're trying to accomplish. If it seems like it's dragging or it's tearing, maybe ask yourself, hey, who's in the circle? Who do I need to clean house with to make sure I have a space and environment for the miracle to actually happen. So it's a great point, it's a great story. Um, it's just super awesome. And if you know, if the lord didn't do the miracle until his space was cleared, what makes us think a miracle is going to happen if our space isn't cleared?

Speaker 1: 24:46

Yeah, I think it kind of related to back to the whole vibration thing of like there's some people that could be bringing that down. Yes, flow and let the Holy Spirit lead and do things, when you just have constant negativity or constant people pulling you down or not having faith in you, or not even faith in you but just having faith in what you're doing and that you are being called to do that right. So I mean, if you're trying to build, build, build and then you have all these people in unbelief and not believing in you, it's tough. And that brings me to the point of I did remember Rudy. You were talking about Rudy this morning, so I want you to touch on that a little bit, because it kind of goes hand in hand with this a little bit.

Speaker 2: 25:30

Yeah, so I have you know, I have. You know, we all have our favorite movies. Rudy's one of my favorite. But you know, you have a guy who was in high school, was short, not very talented, not very fast, had great heart, played hard, his grades were horrible and all of a sudden one day the light bulb went off and he wanted to go play at Notre Dame. Now Notre Dame is one of the top colleges in the country, so you're dealing with a D1 level where you're dealing with Rudy, who is a JC at best. It's 100%. It's like nine day. So in reality it's just not going to happen ever in any lifetime.

Speaker 2: 26:08

But he purposed in his heart that this is where he was going to go to school. And it's weird because for me it was like okay, the light went on, his vibration 100% changed. So, whatever the frequency he was in school was not the frequency he was when he was going after it. And now he's going after it and people are like you know, even your own parents don't believe in your like telling you all this stuff. And he was just like he didn't want to hear it, he didn't listen. He's like I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this. He did it, he did it, he did it. He kept getting rejected and ultimately, you know, know, the rest is history he was able to get in, he was able to make it on the team and he was able to get on the field and he, to this day, was the last person 2025, right now, he was the last person that's ever been carried off the field. Um, at Notre Dame Stadium. Wow, so it's just amazing. He was able to accomplish that. Um. Now there's a movie about him. Um, because, in my opinion, in my belief that he not only purposed in his heart, but he changed. You know, he changes his. You know, he changed his whole thought process. He changed his um vibration. You know, you can imagine the, the difference in the. You know it. Here's what I think of it. I think think of it like this Like you, have you been on an airplane before?

Speaker 2: 27:24

Yeah, okay. Have you ever been on a commercial airplane? Yes, okay. So, like there's really three types of planes, right, so you have a commercial. That's here. So, below that, you kind of have the. You know the Cessnas. Have you ever been on a Cessna?

Speaker 1: 27:39

No.

Speaker 2: 27:39

Okay, and then you have the Cessnas here, then you got the commercials, that kind of fly here. I think they're like 35,000, 37,000 feet, okay, like in the air, in the air. And then above that you have a private jet. Have you ever been on a private jet? No, okay, super cool, I've been able to do that. But they fly at a higher.

Speaker 2: 28:08

You don't think men and women operate at different levels of frequency. You know what I mean. So it's just interesting. It's interesting, and I'm sure that there's things that change that. Right, what are you focusing on? What are you doing? What are you believing? Jesus said if you believe, if you truly believe, you can say to the mountain be cast into the sea or to the tree be uprooted, like, and you just think about that, like, how can that be? Like, sometimes we pray for something so small and it doesn't even happen. And the Lord says if you believe, that would happen, we're like what? You know what I mean. So I just think that, like you know, obviously there's something to it and being able to operate in that type of a space where you're plugged in and the switch is on, so there's power going through, not so much for us, but so we can go out and empower and impact the people that are around us.

Speaker 1: 29:07

Yeah, there's a couple of things that come to my mind and then we can kind of wrap this up. But first thing is Rudy, right, like a lot of people didn't believe in him, and I think a lot of times as business owners it can be pretty lonely, like you have people not believing in you. You're the leader, so everything falls on you, you're having to deal with everything and obviously we lean on the Lord and things like that. But I'm just curious on your take as far as, like, how to manage that as a business owner, as a leader, anybody leading a team, because leadership in general can feel lonely, right. So just curious your take on kind of how to manage maybe somebody that's feeling lonely in leadership or a business owner. Like, what is your take on that?

Speaker 2: 29:56

Yeah, actually it's a really good question, right? I would kind of break it down. I would say I always say you remember why you're doing it. So it all starts with the why. So why are you doing it? So, as an example, if you're building a business, to fill in the blank, you got to remember why you're doing it, because there's going to be times where you feel like you're alone, you feel like quitting, you feel like throwing in the towel, you're like why am I working all these hours? Why you know I'm running out of money, I'm doing all of this stuff. You got to remember the why, right? So I, when you truly do that, and if you need help, write it down, print it out and put it all over the house, right?

Speaker 1: 30:33

so that way you see it Contact Coach Martin or contact Coach Martin.

Speaker 2: 30:36

Put somebody around you that can pour that into you. But it's great to have reminders of why you're doing it. So as long as you can remember why. Now here's a little caveat. So if your why's not big enough, then, yeah, once the tough times come, you're going to quit. So you want to have a big why. But if you have a big why, then it's more than just you.

Speaker 2: 30:59

If it's only about you and I, it's going to be so much easier to quit when the things get tough. But if I'm doing it because of fill in the blank or if I'm doing it because I you know my wife and I truly want to impact everyone that we come around, or as many people as we we can, if I truly believe that you know what I mean if I want to be the guy where you know we're at. We're at a restaurant and you know the waitress is sad and I find out that she can't even make rent. She's a single mother you know what I mean. And we want to be the people that can like hey, what if we paid your rent for the year? You know what I mean. Not because of us, because he told us to do this for you. Like if I truly believe in that on my heart, it's going to be easier to get through those hard times.

Speaker 2: 31:42

You know, what I mean, because then it's no longer about us, it's about others. And I think, dylan, ultimately it's all about others. Like, even if you look at it from a marriage standpoint, it's not about me in a marriage, it's not even about my wife in a marriage. It's about us teaming up to impact and influence. You know, god's people.

Speaker 1: 32:04

Yeah, no, I think it's so powerful to have a why. I think that's what every business owner needs to have, because if you don't have a why, you're going to just quit, you're going to give up. And I think, as you're building teams, carrying that why over to your team and everyone driving the same mission is so important. I know we were kind of talking a little bit about that this morning too, of like creating a mission statement, a vision statement, core values, because as the team gets bigger, it is easier to lose sight of what the ultimate vision and the goal is from what you originally started it for. So I think having everyone moving in the same direction, towards the same goal, is so important, and that's something we're really working on in the salon right now is hey, let's get a mission statement together, let's get a vision statement together, get our core values together, so everyone's working towards the same goal, in the same mission and towards the same why? Because, at the end of the day, it's all going to impact God's kingdom. So last little gold nugget that I want to just touch on, that we talked about today. It's literally about gold. Just touch on that we talked about today. It's literally about gold. I know that we have talked about this before of.

Speaker 1: 33:16

During the gold rush, the miners were not the ones that made a majority of the money. Most miners went bankrupt. Most miners lost everything, but the people that actually did really well were the ones selling the stuff to the miners. So, on the shovels, the stuff to the miners, selling the shovels, selling the equipment and I know that kind of spoke to you a little bit and you dove in on that a little bit. I don't know if you remember exactly what you dove in on, but I think that's something that's always stuck with me and I don't even remember where I heard it, but it was just something that popped out to me and I felt like it did a little bit to you as well and I just, if you have anything to share on that, yeah, you know.

Speaker 2: 33:57

I would say that and I don't even remember, I don't even know if I talked about this earlier, but this is how I would see it, because there's 100% truth to that right. When you look at the people that were providing the tools for the people that were digging, they actually did better. There was fewer of them and they did better. But I think, you know, in my opinion, you know, I think the reason that is so, think about the principle behind it. The principle behind it is the people that were digging. They were digging for the most part, they were going and digging for themselves.

Speaker 2: 34:27

Now I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with what they were doing. In a sense, some of them could have been doing it for other reasons, but the people that were providing tools, they were providing value to the people that were fill in the blank, because it doesn't matter if you're digging or whatever. They were providing value to the people. And the way God has a principle that he set up is profit always follows value. And the way God has a principle that he set up is profit always follows value. So if you focus on value and a lot of new entrepreneurs get this wrong, a lot, a lot of people get this wrong they focus on money. They focus on the money. They focus on the money. They focus on the money.

Speaker 1: 35:06

It's a wrong principle.

Speaker 2: 35:07

It's a wrong principle. You focus on value, you be a value provider, right, and then ultimately, profit follows value. So I think they tapped into a principle that God created and therefore they were able to capitalize on it.

Speaker 1: 35:25

Yeah, miners were the get rich quick, you know, and the ones selling the equipment were the ones coming out consistently selling, putting in the work. And I think it just goes to show like, as a business owner, this isn't going to happen overnight, like you have to put in the work, nothing's going to happen overnight. And I think even like with sports box right Like sometimes you'll have business owners that will come in and like, expect something overnight and it's like no, you have to put in the work, and I think so much in life people are like that, where they're just like I just want it now. And it's like some like Chick-fil-A has been around 78 years, so it's like it's been years. Subway has been around 40 something years. This doesn't happen overnight. If you want a big, successful business that's driving God's kingdom forward, it's not going to happen overnight.

Speaker 2: 36:17

I agree, Dylan, I do. I think a lot of times.

Speaker 2: 36:21

I'm going to just go as a Christian you know business owner or a Christian man or woman that's looking to earn income. I'm going to be talking more to you, but I think what happens is we don't truly understand how it works. So, you know, we see people that have something nice or like dang, it'd be really nice to be able to have that. But we don't understand the foundational piece behind it, where you have to be built up as an individual first. So while you're building your business and you're doing all those things and you're going through ups and downs, you're being prepared. So you're being prepared as you do it. You know what I mean. And if, without that preparation, you're never going to be able to accomplish what you're trying to accomplish. So there there's kind of like two sides of the coin. There's a side of the coin where, um, you know working works, where we see it working. But the other side of the coin is more valuable. The work you may not see it working for you, but it's working on you and that's way, way, way more valuable. And a lot of times we don't see. Because we don't see this side of the coin, we give up. Well, this side of the coin is really I don't want to say irrelevant, but it's not as important. The developmental piece on our end is a sustainable piece, and that's what God develops us during that process, so that way, when we're ready, we're able to earn it and keep it. Otherwise, you're going to be like a person that wins a lotto and they're bankrupt in five years, and I would kind of end it this way.

Speaker 2: 37:48

On that, if God didn't want you to go through the process which he 100% did he put the gold in the ground, in the garden. So the gold was in the garden, in the ground. Why didn't he put the gold on the very top? There was no economy, there was no stores. He put it in the ground. So, even then, he did it for a reason because we have to go through the process to get straightened. Reason because we have to go through the process to get straightened. If you and I go to the gym cause we're like we want to get big arms for the summer, like you, don't you don't lighten the load you got to, you know, rack it up and it's going to hurt and it's. But what happens is the process that God created works, even in the gym. So while we're doing it, our arms will grow and we'll get stronger. This is no different.

Speaker 1: 38:30

Yeah, man, what a fantastic conversation. I just appreciate these talks that we have and I'm going to try and start bringing what we talked you know working together into this podcast. Now people know where to find me, but, as a new co-host and being on the show, where can people find and learn more about you and what you're doing? And just so they can connect with us and really get to know us?

Speaker 2: 38:55

Yeah, I appreciate it. Now you can go to my website. Go to kingdom10xcom or kingdom10xcoachcom, find out a little bit more about who I am, what I do and, if you've got questions or if you're struggling in an area, reach out. We'd love to be able to help you.

Speaker 1: 39:10

Yeah, absolutely yeah. Well, until next week and our next conversation and next topic that we just talk about in the office, we will see you guys, see you later.